From takhistos@yahoo.com Wed Jul 3 17:00:05 2002 From: takhistos@yahoo.com (Miles Teg) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sng-matthews] Petition Message-ID: <20020703170005.11628.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> In the past two weeks I have spoken to many neighbors about their frustration with crime and the response to crime. We want to take action before things get serious. Having committee meetings and trying to work the system will not accomplish this. Later today I will begin distributing a petition to block club leaders. It asks SNG, the park, the police and our neighbors to take certain actions to increase communication and reduce crime. (For a preview see Petition 1 at http://www.geocities.com/takhistos/Plan.html) We hope to have at least 200 signatures before the Matthews ice cream social on July 11th. The idea behind this approach is to show that the community is united in the desire to prevent and respond to crime. I hope that you will read and sign the petition and encourage your neighbors to do so as well. If you are willing to do a little doorknocking please contact me and I will get you a petition form. Thank you for your time. Nathan Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From swm@mapnp.org Wed Jul 3 20:58:21 2002 From: swm@mapnp.org (Sheldon Mains) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Sng-matthews] Petition Message-ID: <32B5C77982A64340AB78CF34FCFF919E12CB16@manage.map.local> I'm not sure what the history is here but it appears Nathan has some = problems with SNG and just about every other group in the neighborhood. = I've found SNG very helpful. Found the Park police and the Matthews = Park staff very helpful (note that I live directly across from the BBall = court). I've also seen increased involvement by MN Transitions School. = The problems are not solved but things have improved. =20 I have a problem with this petition because it appears to divert = attention from the real problems. It seems to create an us vs. them = approach. It seems to be trying to "pick a fight" with the park, the = police and SNG. I will not be signing the petition and will be urging other to not sign = it. sheldon p.s. it would be helpful if people identified in-general where they = live. p.s.s. Nathan--you can get your own free yahoo account so things come = from you and not Miles > In the past two weeks I have spoken to many > neighbors about their frustration with crime and the > response to crime. We want to take action before > things get serious. Having committee meetings and > trying to work the system will not accomplish this. >=20 > Later today I will begin distributing a petition to > block club leaders. It asks SNG, the park, the police > and our neighbors to take certain actions to increase > communication and reduce crime. (For a preview see > Petition 1 at > http://www.geocities.com/takhistos/Plan.html) =20 > We hope to have at least 200 signatures before the > Matthews ice cream social on July 11th. >=20 > The idea behind this approach is to show that the > community is united in the desire to prevent and > respond to crime. I hope that you will read and sign > the petition and encourage your neighbors to do so as > well. If you are willing to do a little doorknocking > please contact me and I will get you a petition form.=20 >=20 >=20 > Thank you for your time. >=20 > Nathan Mitchell >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > If you need help with this list, email Melissa at SNG at=20 > melissa@sng.org. > Sng-matthews mailing list > Sng-matthews@communityforum.net > http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/sng-matthews >=20 From takhistos@yahoo.com Thu Jul 4 21:22:07 2002 From: takhistos@yahoo.com (Miles Teg) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sng-matthews] Petition In-Reply-To: <20020612154415.24DA46C801@mapnp.mnforum.org> Message-ID: <20020704212207.99090.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Fellow Naeighbors, Mr. Main's response alerted me to the fact that I might be perceived by strangers as vitriolic. I should clarify that with the following: I coach track in coordination with Matthews Park, where I referee, was once employed, and where I hang out with the staff several times per week. Until my recent resignation I was VP of the SNG board of directors. I am delighted by most of the staff and board, though the organization is seriously ineffective and out of touch. I have been delighted with the performance of one park police officer in particular, and I intend to coordinate a 'block thank you' for something she did recently. In other words, I am trying to come up with solutions, and that means stirring the pot. My suggestions come from intimate knowledge of SNG and the park, and in some cases from staff themselves. I have every intention of supporting public agencies as well as holding them accountable. Please read the petition, which does not address the Transitions school. Even better, discuss it with a staffmember at the appropriate organization. If you still don't believe the police and SNG should inform residents, that SNG staff should listen to their governing committees or that park staff should demand respectful behavior from visitors then don't sign it! Nathan Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From takhistos@yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 03:52:30 2002 From: takhistos@yahoo.com (Miles Teg) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sng-matthews] 5/7 Meeting follow up Message-ID: <20020708035230.82148.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> A block club leader told me our petition is similar to an SNG park safety discussion. I dug out 5/7 meeting minutes and found the following ideas/ recommendations. How are we doing after 2 months? GROUP 1 IDEAS 1 Produce a document guiding people to effective intervention and use of 911. I have not seen this document. If you want detailed info it is on my web site or ask SNG for the New Alley block club manual. 2 Park signs that detail rules. I have not seen any. 3 T-shirts, slogans, basketball promotions. ? Group 2 A Have Hennepin County Probations help monitor the park Sundays. Probably happening. B Restorative justice ? C Matthews Park Advisory Council Not happening. D Teen Council connected with Advisory Council SNG youth program coordinatoir doesn't want the teen council to meet in the summer. E Neighbors monitor park and use the listserve How many postings have you received? F Post rules Again, I have not seen any. G Park Walkers ? H Ensure "repercussions for bad behavior" ? I Listserve again - "create a baseline" I assume this means how many complaints per unit of time. Has anyone reported anything? J Clean Park - "Bug Park Board to clean it up" ? K Use Hennepin County cars to patrol park Same as A? L Help families, address poverty and politics, etc. Okay, this will take more than 2 months. My points are... #1 No decisions were made. #2 These outcomes are hard to measure. #3 Responsibility was not assigned. #4 They have generally not happened. Holding a meeting is not a solution. This is where my neighbors part ways with SNG, and that is why we have a petition circulating. Nathan Mitchell P.S. There are supposed to be 50 or so people on these lists. Does anyone have anything to say?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From davenpam@mtn.org Mon Jul 8 11:02:25 2002 From: davenpam@mtn.org (Dave Mann) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:02:25 -0500 Subject: [Sng-matthews] what's been done Message-ID: I can't speak to most of the things that Nathan identifies as the suggestions from the 5/7 meeting on Matthews Park but I know there has been progress on one front: 1 Produce a document guiding people to effective intervention and use of 911. A couple of us worked with Melissa at SNG to produce a two sided document that lists the Park's guidelines/expectations for behaviour and lays out steps that people can take when they see these guidelines being violated including using 911. I distributed these at an early June block club party. The purpose was to help people know there were things they could do besides being fearful and/or staying away and that while 911 is an important element of neighborhood response, it's not the only avenue. I would encourage people to contact SNG to get copies of these for you and your neighbors. Perhaps SNG could initiate contacting block club leaders through the e-mail network they set up and encourage them to distribute these flyers. Nathan's e-mail does suggest it would be useful for those of us who invested time and energy into developing the ideas during the two meetings this spring to get some regular progress updates from SNG and others through this listserve. I also want to add that I recently watched the park staff effectively deescalate a situation with teens in front of Matthews Center - Thanks!!!!! - Dave -- David Mann 2024 28th Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55406 612-288-0971 From swm@mapnp.org Mon Jul 8 13:03:04 2002 From: swm@mapnp.org (Sheldon Mains) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:03:04 -0500 Subject: [Sng-matthews] 5/7 Meeting follow up Message-ID: <32B5C77982A64340AB78CF34FCFF919E108AD6@manage.map.local> I can reply to a couple > 2 Park signs that detail rules. > I have not seen any. I understand they are at park board printer > C Matthews Park Advisory Council this takes time! > E Neighbors monitor park and use the listserve > How many postings have you received? We've been monitoring but have not activly sent results to the list. =20 > F Post rules se above > J Clean Park - "Bug Park Board to clean it up" Happening daily--even on weekends-- in the early morning >=20 > My points are... > #1 No decisions were made. > #2 These outcomes are hard to measure. > #3 Responsibility was not assigned. > #4 They have generally not happened. >=20 sheldon mains 24th Street across from the basketball court. ............................................ the opinions expressed here are mine, and no one else's, especially not = my employer's =20