2003 Archives by Author
Starting: Tue May 6 03:35:07 2003
Ending: Wed Dec 17 01:15:01 2003
Messages: 298
- [Pemv-net] RE: Recruiting men (from Barbara Lambert)
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- [Pemv-net] Further Discussions (From Greg Kelly)
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- [Pemv-net] use of videos (form KC Wagner)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Recruiting men (from Chris George)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Recruiting men from Barbara Lambert (from Valerie L'Herrou)
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- [Pemv-net] Involving men (from Judy French)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: on using videos (from Rosalyn Dischiavo)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as allies to women (from Judith Murphy-Smits)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Recruiting men (from Rus Ervin Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] use of videos (from Frank Feuille)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: What it means to be a man (from Nancy Bagnato)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Response to Building a Big Tent from Howard Taylor (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] Healthy Masculinity (from Jan Hayne)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: How do women recruit men as allies? (from Jeannette Raymond)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Involving men (from Vidyaratha Kissoon)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: use of videos from Frank Feuille (from Jackie Campbell)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Recruiting men from Valerie L'Herrou (from Karla Krautscheid)
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- [Pemv-net] more on wrestling video (from Kate Waits)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Tough Guise (from Ron Liszak)
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- [Pemv-net] Moving back to the overview and case studies (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Manhood "should's"?? (from Jan Hayne)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as allies to women from Judith Murphy-Smits (from Susan Marine)
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- [Pemv-net] Wrestling with Bystanders (from Chuck Derry)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Recruiting men from Karla Krautscheid (from Larry Grudt)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as allies to women from Susan Marine (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] Strategies for training/presentations (from Barri Rosenbluth)
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- [Pemv-net] de-pathologizing men (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as discussion group bystanders (from Barbara Lambert)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Wrestling with Bystanders (from Molly Dragiewicz)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as discussion group bystanders from Barbara Lambert (from Nancy Maniago)
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- [Pemv-net] White Men Challenging (from Harry Brod)
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- [Pemv-net] mixed-gender vs. same-gender groups (from Brook Friedman)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Strategies for training/presentations (from Joan Zorza)
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- [Pemv-net] More discussion of identity and language (From Dani Meier)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as discussion group bystanders (from Ruben Reyes)
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- [Pemv-net] big tent/small tent (from Tony Switzer)
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- [Pemv-net] Thoughts on the "big tent" discussion to date (from Jackson Katz)
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- [Pemv-net] On the role of men (from Gillian Greensite)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as discussion group bystanders (from Larry Grudt)
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- [Pemv-net] 'Big Tent' Discussion (from Penny Walls-Brooks)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More discussion of identity and language from Dani Meier (from Pat Armstrong)
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- [Pemv-net] Apologies to Helen Moffett and to the rest of the list
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- [Pemv-net] Case Study V. Faith-based Communities (from Carrie Hunter)
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- [Pemv-net] The Big Tent (from Merri Sullivan)
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- [Pemv-net] The Big Tent must engage and empower all men to take responsibility (from Danny Blay)
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- [Pemv-net] Thoughts on hoisting a "Big Tent" (from Shailushi Baxi)
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- [Pemv-net] Managing the Pemv-net emails (from the Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Big Tent. Man & Women (from Ivan Wilson)
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- [Pemv-net] Thoughts on hoisting a "Big Tent" from Shailushi Baxi (from Sally Jackson)
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- [Pemv-net] educating and mobilizing men (from Rus Ervin Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] Resources on Sexual Violence (from Helen Moffett)
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- [Pemv-net] What role can men with a history of abusing play? (from Helen Moffett)
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- [Pemv-net] Origins of the big tent and questions for further discussion (from Jackson Katz)
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- [Pemv-net] educating and mobilizing men from Rus Ervin Funk (from Karen Brand)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as discussion group bystanders from Larry Grudt (from KC Wagner)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: the Big Tent (from Kelly Bentley)
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- [Pemv-net] The Big Tent (from Donald Gault)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Building a big tent (from Anja Nekes)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: educating and mobilizing men from Karen Brand (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Men as discussion group bystanders from KC Wagner (from Robert Kerr)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: the Big Tent from Kelly Bentley (from Patrick Diggs)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big tent (from Dave McIntire)
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- [Pemv-net] the separate group question and men in the politics of DV and SA (from Arnie Green)
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- [Pemv-net] introduction (from Matt Crichton)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent (from Wally Roth)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent from Jackson Katz (from Toby Myers)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent from Jackson Katz (from Ken Snyder)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: the Big Tent (from Mawuli Dake)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Wally Roth (from Linda Hutchinson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Wally Roth (from Linda Hutchinson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Wally Roth (from Donald Gault)
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- [Pemv-net] Video Games (from Ben Atherton Zeman)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Donald Gault (from Valerie L'Herrou)
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- [Pemv-net] overall impressions (from Kim McCarten)
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- [Pemv-net] Response to Donald Gault (from Chuck Derry)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Linda Hutchinson (from Dave Thomas)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: perceived powerlessness (from Kim McCarten)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent from Ken Snyder (from Lois Gunderson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Donald Gault (from Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] The big tent approach (from Roberta Rieck)
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- [Pemv-net] On defining masculinity (from Chris Huffine)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent from Jackson Katz (from Carmen Retzlaff)
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- [Pemv-net] A few thoughts on the big tent (from Chris Huffine)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Video Games from Ben Atherton Zeman (from Kelly Bentley)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Big Tent from Kelly Anderson (from Donald Gault)
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- [Pemv-net] In response to Roberta M. Rieck (from Merri Sullivan)
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- [Pemv-net] Getting support from politicians (from Rhea Becker)
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- [Pemv-net] compromise, philosophy and other thoughts (from Susan Marine)
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- [Pemv-net] In response to Merri Sullivan (from Barbara Lambert)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: engaging politicians (from Linda Hutchinson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent from Carmen Retzlaff (from Valerie L'Herrou)
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- [Pemv-net] James Gilligan's work on violence (from Molly Dragiewicz)
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- [Pemv-net] re: Valerie L'Herrou comments about the religious right (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] Getting support from politicians from Rhea Becker (From Rus Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Video Games from Ben Atherton Zeman (from Ellyne Bell)
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- [Pemv-net] media and the surrounding 'support system' (from Kim McCarten)
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- [Pemv-net] men's role in violence prevention (from Bill West)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: compromise, philosophy Susan Marine (from Mark Bergeron-Naper)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: men's role in violence prevention from Bill West (from Terry Wood)
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- [Pemv-net] On coalitions and sexual violence (from Claire Riley)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent from Valerie L'Herrou (from Dave McIntire)
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion One coming to a close (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: men's role in violence prevention (from Martin Dufresne)
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- [Pemv-net] Assumptions about men's violence (from Steven Botkin)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Dani Meier's comments about The Vagina Monologues (from Richard Newman)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Origins of the big tent (from Shantelle Gaynor)
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- [Pemv-net] a thank you (from Dave Mathews)
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- [Pemv-net] some further reflections (from Dave Mathews)
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- [Pemv-net] Searching for common ground under the big tent (from Jackson Katz)
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- [Pemv-net] Wrap up of Discussion One and Reminders for Discussion Two (from the Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Concluding comments on Discussion 1 -- the big tent (from Jackson Katz)
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion One Synthesis (from the Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Community Connections: Men, Gender, and Violence by Fernando Mederos and Julia Perilla
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion 2: Batterer Intervention Programs - Community based approaches to enhancing safety and accountability
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- [Pemv-net] Unintended Consequences of CCRI - in Ireland (from Phil Mortell)
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- [Pemv-net] Reaching Out To Men on Commuter College Campuses (from Richard Newman)
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- [Pemv-net] Cultural Competence (from Pat McGann)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Cultural Competence (from Mark Robinson)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Online discussion - we need you help
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- [Pemv-net] Please disregard the last email (From PEMVnet Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Cultural Competence (from Natalie Sokoloff)
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- [Pemv-net] Cultural issues (from Tasha Pera)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Cultural issues from Tasha Pera (from Maureen Manning-Rosenfeld)
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- [Pemv-net] anti-oppressive definitions (from Harry Brod)
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- [Pemv-net] culture and men's programs (from Wally Roth)
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- [Pemv-net] Difficulty w/exceptions and resources (from Nancy Cline)
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- [Pemv-net] Cultural issues & definitions (from Lisa Fontes)
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- [Pemv-net] Some ways our program reaches out to non-court mandated abusive men (From Chris Huffine)
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- [Pemv-net] some reflections and questions to move the discussion forward (from Fernando Mederos)
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- [Pemv-net] The role of Anger Management in BIPs (from Sam Bachman)
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- [Pemv-net] Learning and Growing (from Bruce Wood)
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- [Pemv-net] Stereotypes & Cultural Competence (from Barbara Lambert)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Stereotypes & Cultural Competence from Barbara Lambert (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] Musings (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] on Stosny (from Randy)
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- [Pemv-net] The role of Anger Management in BIPs (from Louise Machen)
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- [Pemv-net] Issue of money in BIPs (from Tom Chen)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: some reflections and questions to move the discussion forward (from Andy Peck)
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- [Pemv-net] Community-based/Criminal Justice-based responses to male violence (from Richard Newman)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Issue of money in BIPs from Tom Chen (from Chuck Gallun)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Issue of Money (from Trudy Bennardo)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Issue of Money (from Loren Council)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Issue of money in BIPs (from Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] Reminder: two days remaining for Discussion 2 (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Too early to abandon the CJS ship (from Ward Urion)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: questions posed by Fernando Mederos (from Sally Jackson)
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- [Pemv-net] More reflections and questions for discussion (from Julia Perilla)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: CCRI (from Barbara Lambert)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: questions posed by Fernando Mederos (from Sandy Davidson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Issue of money in BIPs from Tom Chen (from Pat Kelleher)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Too early to abandon the CJS ship (from Pat Lupson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More reflections and questions for discussion from Julia Perilla (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] cost of BIP's (from Marie Kepler)
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- [Pemv-net] Peer Counseling/Support? (from Roger Niesen)
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- [Pemv-net] more thoughts (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: cost of BIP's (from Vietta Helmle)
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- [Pemv-net] Re:posting from Karen Andrews (from Natalie Sokoloff)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: restorative justice (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] Thanks to Julia & Fernando (from Ivan Wilson)
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- [Pemv-net] Where's the focus? (from Wally Roth)
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- [Pemv-net] Comments to Share (from Fernando Mederos)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: restorative justice (from Jeremy NeVilles-Sorell)
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- [Pemv-net] advocates and BIPPs (from Tony Switzer)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Too early to abandon the CJS ship (from Tony Switzer)
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- [Pemv-net] Re:postings from Karen Andrews and Natalie Sokoloff (from Lonna Davis)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Comments to Share (from Dave Mathews)
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- [Pemv-net] Expansion Beyond the CCR (from Scott Miller)
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- [Pemv-net] Safety and accountability (from Martin Dufresne)
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- [Pemv-net] Culture and Accountability in the Duluth Model (from Scott Miller)
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- [Pemv-net] An Evolving Field (from Dee Kennedy)
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- [Pemv-net] An Evolving Field - Continued (from Dee Kennedy)
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- [Pemv-net] working with men and the CCRI model (from Rus Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] working with men multi-culturally (from Rus Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] Bringing Discussion Two to an End (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Building Bridges Between Fatherhood Programs And Programs Working To End Men's Violence: An Interview With Jacquelyn Boggess, Jerry Tello, And Oliver Williams
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion 3: Building Bridges between Responsible Fatherhood Programs and Programs Working to End Men's Violence
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- [Pemv-net] Fatherhood groups and domestic violence service providers (from Pat McGann)
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion #3--An invitation to participate and some questions to consider (from the moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Re:Fatherhood groups and domestic violence service providers from Pat McGann (from Valerie L'Herrou)
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- [Pemv-net] BPI fatherhood discussion--Restorative parenting (from Christina)
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- [Pemv-net] The modifier "responsible" (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] common ground among programs (from Jacquelyn Boggess)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: common ground among programs (from Valerie L'Herrou)
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- [Pemv-net] raising the standard...(from Jeremy NeVilles-Sorell)
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- [Pemv-net] working with fathers (from Ron Liszak)
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- [Pemv-net] responsible fatherhood (from Jacquelyn Boggess)
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- [Pemv-net] What about rape? (from Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Setting the standard (from Susan Farris)
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- [Pemv-net] Responsible Fatherhood Programs (from Dianne Hampton)
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- [Pemv-net] On the relationship between fatherhood and masculinity/manhood (from Rich Newman)
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion #3--An invitation to participate and some questions to consider (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] redefining masculinity (from Jaime Gallardo)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: some questions to consider (from Dave Mathews)
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- [Pemv-net] Putting our sacredness at the Center of our work (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Putting our sacredness at the Center of our work (from Stacy Rodgers)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Putting our sacredness at the Center of our work (from Mark Brown)
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- [Pemv-net] How militarism affects our cultural ideas about masculinity and fatherhood (from Sandy Mitchell)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: sacredness from Mark Brown (from Shannon E. Smith)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: sacredness, fatherhood and militarism (from Laura Cooley)
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- [Pemv-net] spirituality (from Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] more on spirituality (from Valerie L'Herrou)
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- [Pemv-net] Thank You to Kelly Anderson (from Liz Kinsworthy)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: sacredness at the center of our work from Mark Brown (from Dave McIntire)
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- [Pemv-net] focusing back on fathers (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Be, do, have in relationship to our work (from Rebecca Cline)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: focusing back on fathers (from Patrick Diggs)
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- [Pemv-net] Faith, socialization, warriors (from Roger Niesen)
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- [Pemv-net] focusing back on fathers-responding to point 2 (from Dave Mathews)
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- [Pemv-net] re: focusing on father - point 2 (from La Wanza Lett-Brewington)
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- [Pemv-net] Fathers, Families and Workforce Development (from Johnny Rice)
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- [Pemv-net] Fathers who have been violent (from Sally Jackson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: focusing on fathers - from La Wanza Lett-Brewington (from Dave McIntire)
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- [Pemv-net] Recommended reading (from C. Soehl)
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- [Pemv-net] Fathers who have been violent (from Anja Nekes)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Fathers who have been violent from Anja Nekes (from Joy Hoffman)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Fathers who have been violent from Anja Nekes (from Nicole Matthews-Creech)
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- [Pemv-net] Responses to Joy Hoffman and Nicole Matthews-Creech (from Ross Ellis)
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- [Pemv-net] Bringing discussion three to a close (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Summary of Discussion Three (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Launching Discussion Four - Building Effective Partnerships with Schools
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- [Pemv-net] Discussion Four Reminder (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] How do we get more parents educated? (from Joy Hoffman)
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- [Pemv-net] Breaking into the schools (from Ron Liszak)
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- [Pemv-net] Building Relationships with schools (from Tammy Lemmer)
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- [Pemv-net] Online Discussion Questionnaire - Please fill in by July 25th (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Some thoughts and a poem from South Africa (from Helen Moffett)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: How do we get more parents educated? (from Barri Rosenbluth)
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- [Pemv-net] Prevention and Schools (from Rebecca Cline)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: poem from Helen Moffett (From Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] Working with teens regarding healthy relationships (from Frank Feuille)
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- [Pemv-net] Courageous Bystanders - Response to Barri Rosenbluth (from Joy Hoffman)
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- [Pemv-net] On peers and using the arts for prevention (from Ray Hughes)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and schools (from Martin Dufresne)
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- [Pemv-net] Comments on the discussion (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] Use of Batterer (from Ivan Wilson)
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- [Pemv-net] Importance of healing in prevention work (from Buck Buchanan)
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- [Pemv-net] A response to Buck Buchanan (from Joy Hoffman)
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- [Pemv-net] PeaceWorks - a school-wide year-long conflict resolution program (from Julia Thornburg)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and Schools from Rebecca Cline (from Nicole Elick)
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- [Pemv-net] Comments on the discussion (from Carole Sousa)
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- [Pemv-net] Peace Works (from Rus Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] Peace Works from Rus Funk (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] Defining the difference between conflict resolution and mediation (from Julia Thornburg)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and Schools from Nicole Elick (from Karen Andrews)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and Schools from Karen Andrews (from Sara Brammer)
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- [Pemv-net] working with schools in the rural south and abstinence education (from Katie Gillespie)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and Schools from Karen Andrews and Sara Brammer (from Jeremy NeVilles-Sorell)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and Schools from Karen Andrews (from Rose Wilde)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Prevention and Schools from Rose Wilde (from Martin Dufresne)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Adolescent Perpetrators (from Carole Sousa)
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- [Pemv-net] more comments on our discussion (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] Tool for distinguishing kinds of violence (from Molly Dragiewicz)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: abstinence education from Katie Gillespie (from Nicole Elick)
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- [Pemv-net] Trying to make several points briefly (from Dave Mathews)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: Adolescent Perpetrators from Carole Sousa (from Rus Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] An idea for involving parents (from Kara Vernor)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: abstinence education from Katie Gillespie (from Jennifer Margulies)
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- [Pemv-net] Reminder: Please fill out the feedback questionnaire (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] boys to men retreats (from Rose Wilde)
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- [Pemv-net] boys to men retreats (from Martin Dufresne)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: boys to men retreats (from Karla Snell)
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- [Pemv-net] feelings (Chuck Derry)
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- [Pemv-net] Important information regarding PEMVnet (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: boys to men retreats (from Rose Wilde)
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- [Pemv-net] More on men's retreats and on abstinence issues (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: "Hunt for Bambi" (from Martin Dufresne)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More on men's retreats (from Frank Feuille)
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- [Pemv-net] boys retreats/male-only space (from Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] More comments on "Hunt for Bambi" (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More on men's retreats (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: boys retreats/male-only space (from Michael Kimmel)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More on men's retreats from Frank Feuille (from Kelly Anderson)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More on men's retreats (Rus Ervin Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: boys retreats/male-only space from Michael Kimmel (From Sam Bachman)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More on men's retreats from Kelly Anderson (from Shelli Raen)
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- [Pemv-net] Being part of the container for this discussion (from Diane Almeras)
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- [Pemv-net] Young Men as Allies (from Ron Liszak)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Men mentoring boys (From Carole Sousa)
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- [Pemv-net] Friday July 18th - End of BPI Online Discussion Series (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] same gender space vs. coed space (from Julie Allison)
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- [Pemv-net] another comment on all-male workshops (from Alan Berkowitz)
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- [Pemv-net] Essential ingredients (from Barri Rosenbluth)
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- [Pemv-net] Basis of positive change (from Ivan Wilson)
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- [Pemv-net] Thanks to all contributors (from Helen Moffett)
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- [Pemv-net] Working with College Men (from Chris Linder)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Men mentoring boys (from Paul Schewe)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Essential ingredients from Barri Rosenbluth (from Rus Funk)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Final comments from Alan and Carole
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- [Pemv-net] Re: same gender space vs. coed space from Julie Allison (from Ruben Reyes)
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- [Pemv-net] Re: More on men's retreats from Kelly Anderson (from Chuck Derry)
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- [Pemv-net] RE: Final comments from Alan and Carole (from Jeremy Simons)
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- [Pemv-net] End of the BPI Online Discussion Series (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Summary of Discussion Four and housekeeping (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Stay engaged with the Family Violence Prevention Fund (From Doniece Sandoval)
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- [Pemv-net] Survey findings, conclusions and next steps (from Moderators)
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- [Pemv-net] Online toolkit for working with men on violence prevention coming in 2004! (from the Moderators)
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