From fholson@cohousing.org Mon Apr 1 13:30:55 2002 From: fholson@cohousing.org (Fred H Olson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 07:30:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Listadmins] Archiving subscriber lists Message-ID: I archive the list of subscribers to lists I manage periodically - monthly for my main lists. (Over the years, I have used an archived subscriber list to restore / move a list. The subscriber list is the key entity in a lists existence.) So far I have been doing this at communityforum.net by using the form at the bottom of the list's Info Page to get the subscriber list and saving that. (I have this feature restricted to the list owner.) The resulting file indicates regular mode, digest and nomail subscribers which is the basics in a fairly compact format. It does not show hidden subs so I disallow those (irrelevant anyway due to subs listing restriction). It's a bit of a pain to find and reset subs that have gotten set... Does anyone have a better system for archiving subs on Mailman? BTW, anyone heard when Mailman version 2.1 will be available? Fred, cohousing-L list manager -- 1/29/02 The "Crooked" E: How true it is! (Enron T - shirt) More info: http://www.mtn.org/~fholson/sig-detail.htm Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 (near north Mpls) fholson@cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Cent time) List manager of Cohousing-L & Nbhd-tc Ham radio:WB0YQM From fholson@tcfreenet.org Fri Apr 19 15:01:33 2002 From: fholson@tcfreenet.org (Fred H Olson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:01:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Listadmins] Problems with Subscribed addresses Message-ID: <20020419093833.B35347-100000@tcfreenet.org> I have Two puzzling Problems with Subscribed addresses 1) I have been getting bounce messages in my mailbox related to a digest subscription to cohousing-L ( @communityforum.net tho we use a virtual domain so it's known as cohousing-l@cohousing.org ) The problem is that the bouncing address is not subscribed. I suspect that there is a subscribed address that forwards to the bouncing address. I have not been able to tell from the bounce message or it's header what the subscrided address is. (tho I get confused by all the header lines...) Anyone have suggestions for tracking down the subscribed address? I've thought about sending a test message to all (about 250) digest subs to check that I get a bounce message and then send a test message to half of them ... (a binary search) till I track it down. Anyone have a better idea? Is there a way to "ping" and address rather than send a test message and thus less intrusive of all the legit digest subscribers and maybe quicker. (It will take about 8 test messages (2 to the 8th power =256) tho not all digest subscribers get all test messages.. 2) I just got a hard bounce from a message I sent direct to a friend whose regular mode sub to cohousing-L appears to be fine. Maybe the problem just developed but it seems odd. I think the address I have for him is an alias that he has had problems with in the past. In general **, I think I've had fewer subs disabled by mailman in the year cohousing-L has been at communityforum.net than I had when I basically handled problem addresses manually when it was hosted on a Listproc server. Is there anyway to examing the mailman bounce handling in more detail? ** I have not tried to compile any numbers but I could dig out that information from my email archives. Fred -- TEMP ADDRESS 4/9/02 My "From:" address has temporarily changed; My preferred address IS NOW and continues to be as below. Fred H. Olson fholson@cohousing.org Minneapolis,MN 55411 (612)588-9532 Amateur radio: WB0YQM List manager of: Cohousing-L and Nbhd-tc (Twin Cities Neighborhood issues list) From fholson@cohousing.org Fri Apr 19 15:41:12 2002 From: fholson@cohousing.org (Fred H. Olson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:41:12 GMT Subject: [Listadmins] Problems with Subscribed addresses Message-ID: <20020419154112.46F9C3FC1F8@mail1.tigertech.net> > 2) I just got a hard bounce from a message I sent direct to a friend > whose regular mode sub to cohousing-L appears to be fine. Maybe the > problem just developed but it seems odd. I think the address I have for > him is an alias that he has had problems with in the past. Ooops, I was confused. I'd gotten the old alias from an old addressbook. His real address (with same username) is subscribed to cohousing-L. I did not notice the difference in the addresses. Fred